get it up already the law and wait for the rumble conservatives jamie weinstein and dana daniel helper along with liberal tommy christopher all join me in the ring after the break. let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right. i think. he'd want to well. we never government says they're going to keep you safe get ready because of their freedom.

you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear see some other part of it and realized everything you thought you don't know i'm sorry there's a big. fight .

right it's time for tonight's big picture rondell look back at the week's biggest stories and i'm joined in the studio by daniel hauser deputy online editor the weekly standard tommy christopher media correspondent white house reporter and media i eat dot com and genuine state senior editor at the daily caller let's get started guys i. started five days attends meetings the president finally says that's it throws a rebuttal thirty six thirty six hour deadline you know go back come back let's see what we can work out and making clear that if the debt ceiling isn't raised at the very least that will happen is arguably what happened in the last year the carter administration we had a half a point rise in interest rates that lasted for almost

a decade as a consequence of that just a little tiny after a hundred twenty million dollar default and he says you know that will have the same impact as a tax hike and that presumably would tim geithner had this to say about this. we looked at all of the. little options and we have no way to give congress more time to solve this problem and we're running out of time and the eyes of the country are on us and the eyes of the world around us and we to make sure we stand together and send a definitive signal we're going to take the steps necessary to avoid default and also take advantage of this opportunity to make some progress in dealing with our long term fiscal problems we don't have much time it's time we so daniel do you hear fiddling as america burns i hear urgency but that's not what i see the more i think about it i mean we've been talking about this on this show for

a couple months and you've thought that there wasn't going to be a big deal and i've said of course there's going to be a deal and now the more i think about it the more i think there's not going to be a deal but i think it's because that's what president obama wants i think he wants a fight i think he's getting the fight that he wants that's why why is he better and i'm very proud of course as you become my what what is he what is he trying of course that's what he's saying but what is he trying to do tom he's trying to raise taxes this he's trying to raise taxes with and without keeping in mind that the democratic that their house will rather than said we'll let you know that what the democrats have the house of representatives they voted seat maintain the current tax rate same with the senate and president obama signed the law and now all of a sudden it's up for debate in a republican house that's insane and i think president obama played this thing beautifully. played it like a poker hand and people are saying it's about calling brust heating carved up he's not making about he's check raising the republicans but he knew all along that the ceiling was not something that we were going to mess with so he knew that all the

talk about its allies he messing with it that he would not he is messing with he's saying i'm ready to make a deal because you know he's not ready to make a deal the public are offered a deal and he's offering a deal that he didn't want to be a part of the republicans have to go for the deal problems that are going to be you are these are going to be mr optimism here you know i was a little nervous early. today i didn't think a deal was going to happen but you know after watching his press conference again and listening to republicans i actually think this is just their version of the rumble that we do every night they're going back and forth until eventually get it however you know the president now wants to have his big package with taxes where was he when the commission that the simpson bowles commission came back with a report on tax cuts and bowles commission didn't come back with a report though they did you know we should recommendations anyway that had their way to beijing a lot of commission did not issue recommendations it was a joy to going to minority report it there was never a whole there was a majority report with tax recommendations what he said was were legal for the good of the legal industry i mean he does nothing illegal about the organization of it was that they wouldn't have

a report put forward that would be taken seriously by anybody unless it was you know it was and it was he could still act on his own plan he didn't put forward any serious tax plan i think you could have a deal on on on taxes to lower rates and close loopholes deals there you know who supported paul ryan it was in his you know plan for prosperity why does the president what is it i don't get it yeah thirty thirty seconds you know i was going to say where were the republicans who thought up the debt commission and the deficit commission when it came time to vote for why did obama have to do. an executive order for me if i'm from like where you were the republicans when it comes time to do anything when they came out of vogue it seems that we're going to see every single sort of it does not go to words and you know what tommy thompson says that they're not playing poker then why why is president obama saying don't call my bluff because the last thing because he's loving it has always been very good i just want that's a damn scary question and he's taking every one for a ride and you know what he might actually you know he has the biggest platform and then. i do that as well but we got to move along here on the here although it's

related to this in the heels of moody's saying that they might downgrade as s. and p. came out yesterday i guess it was and said we've got the graphic of this is that owing to the dynamics of the political debate on the debt ceiling there's at least a one in two likelihood that we could lower. with a long term rating in the u.s. within the next ninety days i did it and they went on to say by the way if if basically the republicans don't stop playing like children and saying no no no no no we're going to hold our breath in the house of representatives and you know that that's not what they said they were just a great of this it went on to say that unless there's a quote credible solution to the rising u.s. government debt burden now which party has introduced a play and that's credible and that jools with the debt burden long term you have the ryan plan on right on what i actually agree with he says the deficit so it does not you have to play it on the republican side of the democrat he would have no plan to have not introduced a plant in michigan and this year in the short term any plan to increase the

deficit because that's the nature of these things the president's budget does as well paul ryan's plan does it by party last and gets to a stable position that actually occurred much quicker than a budget that is but i balance the budget with my point is and doesn't my point has always been this fall of the courage and the person who has been in front putting his neck on the line it's cold ryan by putting something that is politically unpopular but putting out something that is necessary to solve our problems what is the president done that is politically unpopular putting out there and putting our neck on the wrong issues they're going to either of us i mean it's good that so you know it's like bush saying i don't follow polls they don't follow through but do something smart to do what doesn't it doesn't mean it's good but it also means that they're saying you want to throw old ladies off the bridge what is he doing they're not putting on an alternative version it's a third rail of politics you don't go after medicare and medicaid because they don't want to be don't want to place the wrath of the vote in the following president has actually done that i mean that's the thing i just got on my radio show a little b.b.c. said he's willing to compromise as well as donna said easily because i said when this you know something that you know you listen to get upset when you guys are

giving anything to get out of a given to say this one of the republicans aren't giving up anything so you go you guys are like well let's see what your best offer is it's never going to offer you know this is we're not we're not going to go if we weren't how we got to this point we've got to this point because there was a clean debt ceiling vote out for. vote in the house of representatives and it failed and there's probably a shot about it better not go not just republicans almost half of all of them i had to go to a single time when they voted before i knew i was ronald reagan was president when i asked her why she was president and george bush we would always have true as i said we would go to support of the state is like what the republicans giving up as if by coming out and saying they're willing to take on medicare and medicaid they are they are doing something for themselves no they're they're making their election prospects much less because of better traditionally very popular programs but they are doing so because they think it is necessary for the pretty solvency of the country but no they're doing it because they're fulfilling a decades long campaign to destroy medicare and that's not really what is contrary

this is the first time perhaps in the history of the republican party that the republicans are actually accepting medicare and saying medicare is something that we want to keep want to keep around but this is what so many think it was a show surprise of ours only just innocently answers it is saying we want to keep it in a care book but this is how we have to keep it we have to reform should long term what is what is paul ryan gaining by putting these proposals on the table and going after medicare he's gaining lots and lots of money from billionaires he's going to already very well maybe get a billionaire's rupert murdoch you don't want eighty today he he had been standing up defiant saying you know i've we did nothing wrong and bloody today he visited milly what's her names the teenage girls in britain visited her family and apologized he came out and he showed shame when he came out of the meeting he published an apology for what's going on eight news corp employees have been arrested les hinton today the c.e.o. of jones a guy who's been with rupert murdoch for thirty forty years resigned might be going

to jail i mean it's possible if he perjured himself before before parliament twice he was the chairman of news international from ninety five to two thousand and seven so is the handwriting on the roll on the wall and and if so can we at the very least if iraq doesn't go down can we have them at least take a. news out of fox news. i mean british tabloids are notoriously sleazy and i would be surprised if you don't find other tabloids who engage in a sleazy beating the new york post. whatever it is that if they did something illegal to get i guess i didn't say and i'm. frankly not surprised but i doubt if they're it's about that they get that so many legal that they got information and they published it was that rich of the new york times publishing wiki leaks documents sorry i have far more problem of them publishing those legal documents which they eat legally and then then i do have these so you know i want you know i'm not going to believe it was right months ago you know my not saying that what you recommended did you write saying it's cool to publish the the intimate on the

story of nine eleven victims i don't think there are children but it's not a good thing to publish the secrets of a government that is can. both are morally reprehensible one is far worse and that's what the new york times did with weekly leaks and nobody has to comment i think you just think point what the tabloid did was awful and you should condemn it but in terms of long term consequences to the nation and because of good not only wiki leaks but new york times has published several things that were not illegal that the bush administration did that were helping in the war on terror after the bush administration begged not to because it would stop these programs from going on alert the terrorists that was far worse than an actual security problem is this is the strategy all together any time we talk about murdoch let's talk about the new york times yeah i know. more than three have to get back to your original question i think that the thing with fox news is that they've already got this sort of car compartmentalise organization where you can within fox news they draw these lines between opinion side and the news side and so i think fox news viewers are

going to be able to draw the line between the good with what happened in great britain and fox news so i don't think it's an art that there had seen enough fortunes talking about this through already you know just you know it's i saw report on it this morning that ok so they finally started you're not so you have not seen it like you are in the new york times of seventy eighty over because. finally their main competitor rupert murdoch who owns the wall street journal yeah . what a bunch of george speight promoting their joints i'm just saying it's not it's not nearly always a big more havel's it is the wouldn't do it also present in the early days then once they did it's not morally consistent editorial line or. i mean quite a bit of look i think it what they did is awful but the idea that like this is a major news story in the new york times when it's what happens in a british tabloid industry i mean that's you know they're not i mean i visited this conservative les hinton who was running the wall street journal apparently is the guy who was running this i mean he was running that institution in great britain before he came over you know i'm alive if you would do something about it because

it's on the legal should be should be they should be prosecuted the full extent of the question is. my point is that i'm being morally consistent i think that the light just as the people who work for rupert murdoch should be and should be prosecuted the full extent of the law so should the people the new york times to produce a lot of these three prosecute how difficult how this time we're back to the bush classified information but going back to fox one of fox's favorites is michele bachmann michele bachmann her husband has been denying the hundreds of thousands of dollars that they get from medicare to help pray away the gay is actually about praying a way to get well today he came out in a radio interview and said yeah we will pray away the gay with that all these federal funds that we get but my wife trashes both the american psychological association the american psychiatric association has said crane away again not only doesn't work it can do harm to people and and you know so does michele bachmann really believe that she can be the that her husband can be the first husband when this is his big i would refer to how this he is

a longstanding patient of mr bachmann who gives a pretty good oh what a slam out of. that's all you have to say you know your disposition is not good obviously not good for a presidential campaign it's obviously going to do good but it you know what people are not looking at him they're looking very right wing paper. it's your mind that he sort of looking at her people always the people are not how i don't find out if you're going to my friend and frankly you're saying what i said how my not the gay want to frankly offended. that most of the good i did so i just it's obviously it's obviously not good for her presidential campaign to have this come out i mean it's not like an industry that you want your spouse to be in if you're running for office i mean both refuse their candidate he's not i mean look michelle michelle obama i mean all the hillary clinton they don't they have their sort of pet projects but ultimately she's a bone in the business is there not just mean she's a partner and there's a part of the business there is not just him it's i don't think people are going to go to great clinic i she run i just don't think people are going to be that

concerned about i think old guy you know he comes down as you would be good for trying to run down to president obama has led this economy to nine point two percent unemployment and look at another candidate in for us and michele bachmann is able to articulate a better position about jobs in the economy than barack obama has as currently presented michele bachmann a winner brock novelis that's all i don't think it has to do with these little things yes going to her for a couple days might her with some credibility with people like tommy wouldn't support her anyway so what not such a big deal but i agree with you that it's only going to hurt with people who already don't want her to help her probably with the republican in the republican primaries but can you see that one little part again or we can snip it always is bachmann will win because i want to make that my migraines i have discussed it on the on this show before i think bachmann has the clearest path to victory of any republican in this incident with a guy that doesn't you know when i visited she in it was me i said if she can present a better position than barack obama that's and if the people had been unusually undecided us knowledge example ok let's i would like to actually shift topics

considerably here for a moment the d.c. court of appeals today said that the t.s.a. violated federal law when they installed the chertoff or no scanners in the x. ray promised manners in the airports around here without first notifying the public and seeking public feedback that that's that's the log. that's the rule they didn't order the t.s.a. to stop irradiating people and peeping at their privates but they did say you got to do something consistent with this in the meantime and ninety four year old wheelchair wheelchair bound florida woman says that she had to stand up for ten minutes in one of these porno scanners while the pattern down very early and a woman in seattle said that she was pulled aside for a pat down of her curly hair before going through the porno scanner so how much do we have to and then donald rumsfeld today that's i was the head. of the press all the pictures of him getting patted down this guy this guy says other than there was actually a code pink citizen's arrest right well obviously this is something that actually

probably is responsible for more deaths than outside and that's insulated he looks gallus in the not much more detail going to town is where i always say that before we say the roads he has a security theater is not making us safer although it is making michael chertoff a millionaire look i am happy that if you all want to get patted down and the scanner told me a much easier path for me to get through the airport scanners obviously these ridiculous things where they're patting down ninety four year old women are absurd i'm sort of a cancer goes through with that we are in a wizard is my last year at the wizards behind the t.s.a. probably could do a better job with picking out who are necessary to get these pat downs. to be clear realize though that this isn't shared offs policy this is charles is a lobby says these this is you know it's president obama. be clear on that point i'm not saluting and i don't have such a problem with them personally i went through one the other week and you know i if

they want to see it i don't have anything to hide the cancer shows up in ten or fifteen years we'll see what's hot then amounts of what i did something nice and bought another place but i do know that we are just i think the larger point is that they're not doing adequate job or if we security and don't are i'm still has some of the deepest state secrets in his mind and you know and he has some of the. i could hear you getting the pat down also i mean that's it's insane i mean. well that's your point we had him saying i thought you were say they were gathering is minders on the rumsfeld getting patted down and ok last question quickfire this is just you know one sentence i keep asking people to us and i keep not get an answer can anyone of the three of you name one shared sacrifice that the republicans are offering that they put on the table sure. in the ryan budget there will be a means testing social security and medicaid which would mean that wealthy people would not get the money that they put in for those promo so the wealthy people lose a thousand dollars and i think i read somewhere that there was a writer proposed that they would write their cigars with five dollar bills rather

than hundred dollar bill but that's that's a pretty big yeah that's actually what's the talk on the table now that that you're going be two trillion dollars i think most republicans want six trillion more they want the whole budget they were able to hold deficits and to be paid off so wait so i think let me think russian the american middle class is there is there is there sure it's on the contrary you know we have but i want i think they think they're sharing their shared sacrifice and they're willing to for now compromise on something less than what they want what are the democrats what would turn round one of the democrat was sacrificed by giving you what have the democrats offered as far as shared sacrifice because well they're talking about yeah i'm what i want it was why are people in the rest of america we've lost their homes and their jobs and their wages being x. is asked to sacrifice ever anything we already did our part. i mean there's an eighty five percent cuts fifteen percent revenue they should be the other way around if anything but you won't get a budget deal that's right exactly so they don't hear about fairness that nobody

even you know you know what is the hold you guys are the finish line if you support even if you know you guys are that fifteen percent that's not fair either are you sick of obama saying it is for a reason to say he's actually million in millionaires and billionaires one hundred percent you still wouldn't deal with the deficit problem that's that's some bolts yes that's. all right no i haven't read the progressive budget proposal the progressive caucus is a read but you'll be amazed i know james tell me daniel thanks so much but i thought after the break i daily take on the real life expectancy of medicare what needs to be done to to sustain. what drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions. made who can you trust no one who is your view with a global missionary see where we had it state controlled capitalism is called

sasha's when nobody dares to ask we do our t. question more. last night i shared with you how right wingers and the news media they influence have been predicting the claps of the medicare insurance program ever since it was

created in the summer of one thousand nine hundred sixty five by lyndon johnson as part of his great society program here's an example that i shared with you from the washington post on march sixth one thousand nine hundred three senate budget committee chairman republican pete domenici warned the nation's governors the other day medicare can be bankrupt into it. to put the brakes on its burgeoning costs and this one from the new york times in january twenty second one nine hundred eighty nine the phone that pays all government reimbursement for hospital care of medicare patients is projected to become insolvent in the next decade or so in fact there's a long history of predicting that medicare is going to go broke any minute and york times continued that tradition wednesday of this week by writing officials have said that the program which provides health care to people sixty five and older is not sustainable in its current form really fortunately the real economists over at

the center for economic and policy research noticed that and wrote in their beat the press blog this is not true there is no as in zero none of facial documentation that says that the program is not sustainable in its current form there are official documents that show the program will need additional revenue at some point the a c. eight passed by congress last year though reduce the projected shortfall in the program by more than seventy five percent drop the a c. a fixed medicare last year what's the a.c.l.u.'s but actually it's usually called obamacare by republicans the rest of the country knows it as the affordable care act. and it did largely fix medicare which is why the congressional budget office published this graph last year showing in the dotted lines where medicare was going before obamacare and in the solid lines where medicare is going now

yes the president has fixed medicare in fact it's even more astounding than that as the folks over at the center for economic and policy research point out as it stands the projected shortfall of the program's seventy five year planning horizon is less than zero point four four tenths of one percent of g.d.p. this is less than one quarter of the cost of the worst in iraq and afghanistan and the wars in iraq and afghanistan have been going on for ten years and they cost four times more than all of the seventy five year projections for shortfalls in medicare and another one when you look at your paycheck you'll see it's a fight headed auction a pricey eight that induction for medicare and social security fica is also known as the payroll tax because everybody even if you only are a few thousand dollars a year everybody pays it but consider this the name f i see a stands for federal

insurance contributions act insurance yes insurance the real name of social security is the old age survivors and disability insurance program and that insurance program was amended in one thousand nine hundred sixty five to include health care insurance and what we call medicare insurance social security and medicare are insurance programs that insure all of us against poverty and illness and old age so whenever any politician refers to them they should include the word insurance as in or thinking of cutting the benefits in the medicare insurance program. you see these are not welfare programs they're insurance programs and as such they shouldn't be turned into welfare programs by being means tested so that they're only available to poor people because as bill clinton showed us when he bragged that he had ended welfare as we know it it's easy

to cut things for poor people and tragically it can even be politically popular even a democrat can get away so let's once and for all stop the stupidity and all the demagoguery their insurance programs we all pay into and they're not going broke and balancing the nation's budget by cutting medicare instead of the pentagon is just wrong end the wars and heal americans pass it up that's the big picture for tonight for more information on the stories we covered this at our website so tom hartman dot com free speech dot org dot com also check out our two youtube channels there are links to thom hartmann dot com this entire show is also available as a free video podcast on i tunes and we have a free tom hartman i phone and i pad app in the app store it's honest feedback a twitter a tom underscore our on facebook at tom others who are on our blogs message boards and telephone linus omark about oh no forget the marker see begins with you when

you show up and get active tag you're it see next week. download the official r.t.f. location chobani phone or i pod touch from the i.q. saps to. chauncey's life on the go. see video on demand oxys minefield costs and r.s.s. feeds are now in the palm of your. question on the quality dot com wealthy british science.

market finance scandal. find out what's really happening to the global economy with months concert for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune into cars a report on r g.